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Nicklas Lidstrom and Alex Ovechkin are arguably the best players to ever make it to the NHL out of Sweden and Russia. (Photo by Dave Reginek/NHLI via Getty Images)

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Nicklas Lidstrom and Alex Ovechkin are arguably the best players to ever make it to the NHL out of Sweden and Russia. (Photo by Dave Reginek/NHLI via Getty Images)

In just a few days, some of the best Under-18s in the world will clash at the annual Ivan Hlinka Memorial tournament, hosted by the Czech Republic and Slovakia.

For major junior fans, many of the Canadian names are already somewhat familiar – Brayden Schenn, Taylor Hall and Jared Cowen among them – and those of you who followed my Year of the Ram series will recognize Nick Oliver of Team USA.

But part of the fun of these tournaments is hearing names for the first time and sorting out the hype that goes along with them.

Finnish star Toni Rajala has been getting heaps of praise back in his homeland with some even referring to him as the ‘Finnish Sidney Crosby.’ Similarly, Slovakia has a fast riser in Richard Panik, who frequently plays against older competition.

But that got me thinking: Will the aforementioned players become the next legends of the game someday? Could they even become the greatest players ever from their respective countries? It may sound outlandish, but every superstar starts somewhere.

We have already seen the best Canadian player of all-time. Whether you believe that man is Wayne Gretzky or Bobby Orr, both accomplished astonishing feats that will never be duplicated. And, unfortunately for young Panik, we have likely seen the best Slovak of all-time in Peter Stastny. The Czechs are sewn up right now as well: Dominik Hasek or Jaromir Jagr. Maybe you even give Stan Mikita some love (he was born there, even if he didn’t play hockey until he got to Canada).

So what about the other nations?

Russia: We’re pretty much sticking to the NHL here, so let’s just establish that up front. Pavel Bure? Sergei Fedorov? Vladimir Konstantinov? I think we’re watching the best right now: Alex Ovechkin. He’s already amassing a good deal of hardware and his Caps squad is on the rise. We’ll be seeing him consistently in the post-season from now on and his combination of offensive wizardry and reckless physical abandonment makes him one of a kind.

Sweden: Nicklas Lidstrom is the current titleholder. You can toss in some votes for Borje Salming, but at The Hockey News we’ve already crowned Lidstrom the best European ever and the arguments that he is the second-best defenseman ever get stronger every year. But there is a competitor rising in the near future. Behemoth defenseman Victor Hedman hasn’t even been drafted yet, but big things are expected. And just to give you a taste of things to come, Steven Stamkos once told me Hedman plays like Lidstrom – except one of them is 6-foot-5 and 220 pounds.

Finland:
Even if Rajala is the Finnish Crosby, he’ll still have stiff competition from his Suomi brothers. Jari Kurri is seen as the gold standard of Finns, but where does Teemu Selanne fit into the picture now that he has a Stanley Cup?

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USA: Here’s the most intriguing one, because it’s wide open. Evoking the Brett Hull rule (born in Canada, doesn’t count), who do you go with? Brian Leetch, Mike Modano and Pat LaFontaine are all good candidates, but I feel with the development of the game in America in recent years, we haven’t found the golden boy yet. Ironically, Phil Kessel was supposed to be the ‘American Crosby,’ but obviously he’ll settle for being a very good NHLer. Does Erik Johnson have the chops in St. Louis? Patrick Kane in Chicago? Elite youngsters such as Jeremy Morin and Jordan Schroeder are coming up over the horizon; maybe it’s one of them.

Germany and Switzerland: Clearly we haven’t seen the best yet, but these countries are putting together solid national programs (as is Denmark), so the elite talent will begin to get better as time goes on. For the foreseeable future, Thomas Vanek (Austria) and Anze Kopitar (Slovenia) have their countries wrapped up.

Ryan Kennedy is a writer and copy editor for The Hockey News magazine, the co-author of the book Hockey's Young Guns and a regular contributor to THN.com. His blog appears Thursdays, his column - The Straight Edge - every second Friday, and his feature, The Hot List appears Tuesdays.

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PaulPadovano Posted
(2009-04-30 08:06:13)



It's so tough to say who the best European player is. You can sit and debate Jagr, Lidstrom, and Forsberg all day. What sets Forsberg apart is what he was able to accomplish in the post season with Colorado. And then what about Hasek? 6 Vezina trophies, along with 2 Jennings, 2 Hart trophies and 2 Lester Pearson awards make him a viable candidate for the best goal tender of the modern era, as well as greatest player, period.And the Slovakians best players deserve mention. Chara, Bondra, and especially Stan Mikita is right up there with the best of them.And besides Kurri, Kiprusoff,and Selanne I think Jere Lehtinen is one of the top players to ever come from Finland. If he is awarded one more Selke Trophy he will be tied (along with Gainey) for first on the all time list. He was no offensive slouch either. He's been a consistant 20+ goal guy thoughout his career and has scored over 30 goals twice. As far as Russian born players, I think Sergei Fedorov was the greatest two way player among the bunch. But I have an inkling that Ovechkin will one day surpass Jagr on the all time European scoring list.
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Braden Posted
(2009-04-30 06:49:16)



Isn't Kipper from Finland?
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Don Gargaro Posted
(2009-04-30 06:48:56)



Russians- Federov, Ovechkin, Bure, Datsyuk, Konstantinov, Larionov Swedes - Lidstom, Forsberg, Zetterberg, Salming, Sundin Canada- Lemieux ,Gretzky, Orr, Howe, Sawchuck, Dryden, Richard Czech and Slovakian - Jagr, Hasek, Hossa, Kiprosoff USA - Jury still out but would include: Modano and Chelios
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Paul Posted
(2009-04-30 06:46:41)



the better question is how are none of the KLM members and tretiak not part of the Russian debate? although, i do agree that when all is said and done ovechkin probably will be the best russian, and possibly top ten period. lidstrom is a good swede pick, but forsberg deserves mention. sick of his antics nowadays, but when healthy he is as good as anybody. U.S. is tough because no American has ever been able to string together a truly great stretch, it is more a season here a season there. but given his longevity, chelios could be the guy. lafontaine is justifiable, too. Finland, I would give to Kurri so far, but Kipper would be worthy if he keeps his play up for a few more years.
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thedeke Posted
(2009-04-30 06:46:27)



Ben Robin: Gretzky did play the PK. In fact, he was one of the first stars to do it, and he and Kurri got tons of points on the PK. Check the stats before speaking. One stat we don't have from Gretzky's heyday is puck control time, which would show how much (or how little) Gretzky controlled the game, but you can't argue that on facts because we don't have any. And I cannot argue with Bowman about Lemeiux, but the arguement isn't who was the most talented - it is who had the best career. And Lemieux only won cups when he had unbelievable talent around him too - Gretzky got closer ('93) then Lemeiux ever did with less than a completely dominating team. And Lemeiux didn't start dominating like he could until he learned from Gretzky how to play like a professional ('87 Canada Cup). But as a Lemeiux fan, you probably already knew that.
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Whateva Posted
(2009-04-30 06:46:23)



Not sure how this article can be taken seriously.....how you can talk about great Russian players and not include Slava Fetisov? And how can anyone claim that we have seen the best Slovak ever? Stastny was a great player but it is ridiculous to think that he is the best Slovak there will ever be. About the only thing I agree with is that we have seen the best Canadian, no argument on that one. (yes, I mean 99).
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Ben Robin Posted
(2009-04-30 06:46:09)



ONE MORE STATEMENT FOR SNOWMAN (snowman...truly, don't you have a first name worth using like anyone else?): to say that Gretzky controlled the game like no one else, then how come his stats mainly reflect the offensive side of his game, like Ovechkin? How come we never heard of Gretzky on the ice for a PK like Lemieux was? And if he was as dominant as you tend to explain, then how come he was unable to bring his team to the Holy Grail (read Stanley Cup) once he left Edmonton? Once again, it tells a lot about the surrounding cast he had in Edmonton, an ALL-of-FAME cast!!! Man, I look forward to your next response (with facts, hopefully!).
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Fredrik Vilborg Posted
(2009-04-30 06:46:08)



Kronner the Barbarian, give me one player who has been better than Mats Sundin on the international scene during the last 15 years. He's been a god and saying else is heresy.
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Ben Robin Posted
(2009-04-30 06:46:06)



HEY, SNOWMAN!!! (WHAT KIND OF NAME IS THAT ANYWAY!!!) You're absolutely right when you wrote there was no Dave Semenko in LA to protect Gretzky, but I must believe that you never heard or saw MARTY McSORLEY play in LA to fully comprehend what was his role as a member of that roster! It's nothing personal against Gretzky, but when you have read many articles on the topic and had the opportunity to speak with SEVERAL former coaches and GMs who firmly believe that Lemieux was a better talent to play hockey at BOTH ends of the ice surface, I CAN FULLY COMPREHEND THE STATEMENT OF SCOTTIE BOWMAN ON THAT SUBJECT.
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Ben Robin Posted
(2009-04-30 06:46:06)



HEY, SNOWMAN!!! (WHAT KIND OF NAME IS THAT ANYWAY!!!) You're absolutely right when you wrote there was no Dave Semenko in LA to protect Gretzky, but I must believe that you never heard or saw MARTY McSORLEY play in LA to fully comprehend what was his role as a member of that roster! It's nothing personal against Gretzky, but when you have read many articles on the topic and had the opportunity to speak with SEVERAL former coaches and GMs who firmly believe that Lemieux was a better talent to play hockey at BOTH ends of the ice surface, I CAN FULLY COMPREHEND THE STATEMENT OF SCOTTIE BOWMAN ON THAT SUBJECT. PERIOD.
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